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Putting Her Forward

October 21, 2019 Neil Thornton + Jack Ratcliffe Season 1 Episode 12
a good good thing
Putting Her Forward
Show Notes Transcript

Do you know how many statues there are of real women - excluding queens - in the UK? 25. That's less than 3% of the total statue population. 

Or at least, there were only 25, until artists non zero one doubled that number as part of their Put Her Forward project. We talk to Cat Harrison about the project, why making statues of women is important, and how they choose the 25 living women to be immortalised in sandstone.

Jack also tries to convince both Neil and Cat there's more to seaweed then just that gross slimey feeling you get when you wade in ocean.

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About your hosts


A New Media artist currently undertaking a PhD in virtual reality, Jack is motivated by the positive impact technology can have on our day to day lives both operationally and emotionally. Outside of PhDs and podcasting, Jack is a proud dad to three turtles and an ever-growing number of house plants.  Find Jack at @jacktionman on Instagram and Twitter


A digital content editor by day, Neil is also a men’s lifestyle blogger at whatneildid.com where he covers a range of topics from travel and style to health and mental well-being. You’ll never find him too far from a coffee.   Find Neil at @Whatneildid  on Instagram and Twitter 

Neil:   0:09
Hi, everyone. And welcome to this week's episode of a good thing. I hope you're having a good week full of great things. And if you're not well, you're in luck. Because from here on in, this is a good vibes Only space.

Neil:   0:26
Good morning, everyone. Or good day or good evening, Depending. What time is when you're listening to this episode? Welcome to a good, good thing, Jack. How you doing?  

Jack:   0:34
I am good. I'm upset. You forgot Good night. 

Neil:   0:37
Well, no. Because you say goodnight when you're when you're finishing, we say goodnight at the end of this episode, you don't say Don't say good night as a Hello.  

Jack:   0:44
Yeah, that's true, Actually, never   

Neil:   0:47
Like in other languages as well.  

Jack:   0:50
Yeah, you're right. Even what? Any time of night it is. You greet people with good evening.  

Neil:   0:55
Yeah, exactly. Because good night is a final. Goodbye. So Well, we got that game because I want everyone to hear that I just correct you on something. You're very wrong. So we have a guest today, Jack, who is with us today?  

Jack:   1:11
So we have Cat Harrison. Who is We're a big fan off and A good friend off, I hope looking across the studio being like please say we're good friends is how I do it with all my friends. So you know, like a longing Look in my eyes. Please be my friend.

Cat Harrison:   1:32
Now I know where you really invited me to check on our friendship status.  

Jack:   1:38
Yeah, I quit Facebook. So now I didn't know. So I have to invite them to 

Neil:   1:45
so Yes. So we've known cat since university and cat is part of this amazing company called non 01 that do interactive are an experience pieces across Britain on DH. We have her in today to talk about a really special project that we loved called Put her forward. So let's get into it.  

Neil:   2:13
Hi, Cat.

Cat Harrison:   0:00

Neil:   2:14
How are you doing?  

Cat Harrison:   2:16
Very well.

Neil:   2:17
Thanks for joining us on this week's episode.

Cat Harrison:   2:20
It's a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me, guys.

Neil:   2:22
You are here not just because you are a dear friend, but also because off the amazing work that you do with non 01 So for everyone that doesn't know you and doesn't know non 01 Can you tell us a bit more about you and what your nuns everyone is?

Cat Harrison:   2:38
Well, yeah, good. That's really hard. There isn't. It just says like you are. You just explain to the world like a big piece.

Cat Harrison:   2:47
My name's cat from an artist collective. It's called non 01 There's four of us, so we make work as a team of four were almost like family. Now

Jack:   2:57
you don't have to, like, invite each other into shows and look at each other in the eye to be like Are you my friend?

Cat Harrison:   3:02
Yes, exactly. You know very much that we have transcended Teo. But the four of us great friends on DH colleagues. Yeah, we might work together. The work is a kind of experience. It's interactive, but by that we mean that the public people who come and take part in it they're always doing something in the work. They always have, like an involvement and help shape the work in some way. So it's not necessarily interactive, like lots of people think that it's kind of like

Neil:   3:33
taking part in the show because that's the thing, isn't it? Is it moves along the spectrum of being, because when I was thinking about how to describe it, I think about some of your original pieces, which are in the theatrical sphere. Then, actually, when you look to things like Put her forwards, they've gone mohr into this installation happening type moment. And so they actually. Yet the interaction is on a different scale.

Cat Harrison:   3:52
Yeah, the suitor And we started out by making you. No way. We'll have, like, a theatre background. So we sort of started by making work in, like, performance capacities, but never really on stage. Only very occasionally do we go on stage. Actually, we were always making works for, like, the foyer spaces or the rooftops or the spaces that weren't actually the stages. And now we've moved completely out of those spaces, and we make work much more for museums on DH um, like public spaces. And with put her forward, it was almost like a campaign to the public as well that we did with the National Trust heritage open days. So like a huge body that sort of across the whole of the UK, which were excited. So

Neil:   4:41
how did that come about? Did they get in contact with you? Or is it something that you pitched to them?

Cat Harrison:   4:45
Yeah. You know, we're not that cool. They just call it a day like, Hey, maybe now you just hung up on the Queen and they were like, Oh, thank God we got to Yeah, I don't recognise this. They put a call out for artists in February last year, 2018. And it was a call out fool, something that would go across England because heritage Open days is supported by English funding. And it was something that would celebrate commemorate 100 years since the first British women got the vote. And this came at the same time that the four of us were having a discussion about statues on DH. Um, we'd read this article by this amazing woman, Caroline Criado Perez. You might know who led the campaign for the Millicent Force. That statue in Parliament's department square on DH. In her article, Caroline Criado Perez talked about the fact that there were 925 public statues in the UK off those 925 158. Where women. But if you take out mythical women on Royals, because basically, Queen Victoria just like was like guys every place. He's a statue, a crematory. If you take out the Royals and mythical women, you're left with 25 25 women who had done something that was deemed worth remembering. So we were like, Why don't we just make some more statues? Let's do that. Oh, on DSO put forward was all about finding 25 inspirational, exciting women living women. And this was one of the kind of interesting debates that we had around heritage and statue making. But like living women who would be three D scanned and printed into small statues on unveiled all Around England.

Neil:   6:42
So when it came to finding the 25 women, how did you go about it?

Cat Harrison:   6:46
Well, so that's a good question, because we wanted to find different ways of reaching different people on we. Also, although it was a project about finding women, we wanted it to be something in terms of nominating women. We wanted to find as many people as possible to engage in that so that it wasn't like a project for women about women, and only women can take part because, like that sort of defeat the whole point of feminism and equality anyway. So we were looking at different ways that we could reach different groups people on across England as well. So we did the call out in three sort of three different ways. The 1st 1 was was online, and there was a whole online campaign led by this amazing woman could Isabella Hophead, who is Heywood, just graduated but was just great finding, um, amazing groups that were all kinds of different communities on on, especially with LGBT communities on DH communities in like in rural areas as well. That was where we kind of tried tio reach people that way. We also sort of slightly expired by the suffragettes were also went Teo, like physically went Teo, 11 different towns and cities across England. With this massive placard, that sort of said, You know where all the statues of women who would you have a statue of a woman bitterly marched around the streets on DH? Ask people on the streets for their nominations?

Jack:   8:22
How are the reactions by people on the street who was just going about their business doing some shopping? 

Cat Harrison:   8:28
Yeah, it's sort of like, as you can imagine, really. There were lots of people that were just kind of like gorping from across the other side of the street, which is kind of great, but you could see that them notice. And then, you know, the idea was that maybe if people were a bit shy to come over because I realise it's quite late, big, big statement, I guess, and they have their tools to go in. Just a least look up, put her forward dot com and like, see what it's about, but also for us in men that we really reached people that we'd never reached before. And we had some really interesting discussions with people as well. You know, um, I remember being in Manchester Piccadilly Gardens and having a chat with a guy who's going through a custody battle for his kids, and he was saying like, Well, actually, I think in that that scenario women have a real advantage, and I'm finding it really difficult right now to kind of think of women's rights speakers. In my context right now, it's really tricky, and we just had a really great conversation about it, where it's like, Yeah, you're right. Like in that situation, It is it that is a hard position for you to be in on DH. I can completely understand that. But here's some other examples off where that comes in. And can you still think of an inspirational woman who's helped you with in your custody battle? And

Neil:   9:49
did he manage to think of an inspirational woman?  

Cat Harrison:   9:51
Well, it turns out, like all of his legal team were all women. So, yeah, there was there was kind of interesting discussions to people who you like, would never I have come across it again because we're in where artists, A lot of our love, our contacts with the arts, venues on DH artist groups. So it was another way of reaching, like, different, different people. And we also did like, um, or intense workshop that we took out Tio. It was about another kind of 10 different groups on DH that was right from like on over fifties LGBT Group in Brighton, Teo, a stroke association group near Birmingham, Tio, we're doing quite quite a few sort of older people groups that would maybe not engaged with it online or necessarily be out. And that was the point. This was just a kind of like talk to people about it. Talk to people about the stats of the numbers of statues of women. Both. We just talk to people about, well, like our statues relevant now on DH. What does it mean to see a statue of a woman or somebody else like celebrated in this way, like where should statues be? So it was a conversation, but there was much more about than just who's your one inspirational woman. But for me, that was where their real heart of the discussion was, and a lot of people would like to begin with. Oh, I can't think of any inspirational women that aren't dead and you're like, Okay, but it's also thinking a little bit. About what? What successes or what is worth celebrating like you look at statues. A lot of statues now celebrate things like military success or legal success, and it's like, Can you celebrate something like nurture or tenderness or and craft or something? That scene is, like, maybe typically feminine or female, and celebrate like put that on the same pedestal is some of the other existing step cheese,

Neil:   12:02
I suppose what's interesting as well, though, to the point where people don't necessarily counting on the spot of someone living is, then that brings up the whole question of light within. That's just representation, visibility and what are we doing? You know, there's clearly a lack of visibility for, you know, it could be border than women, but within that that conversation, I think that's clearly like a lack of it. That's why people can't think about it. So that's a whole other thing that kind of can be addressed within this work.

Cat Harrison:   12:29
And that was one of the reasons why we chose to make statues of living women and not historical dead women, because the storeys in the access to those storeys of historical women are mostly from very similar backgrounds, like they are extraordinary. And we when whenever we were doing the work shops, we actually tried to find historical women from those places that were inspiration as a starting point for that conversation. But most of them are from middle class Aristotle Aris. You can never say that bloody word.  

Jack:   13:01

Cat Harrison:   13:01
Thank you. Jack from middle class, or...

Cat Harrison:   13:04
[laughs] aristocratic. Yeah, from that middle class, upper class for them so. But yeah, when we were looking at the storeys of like off historical inspiration women.There's amazing women like one of my favourites is Katherine North. And in Kew Gardens, there's a whole gallery dedicated to Catherine North. Mate, she's not even called Catherine North I think she's called Marianne North

Neil:   13:41
you're just saying your own name?  

Cat Harrison:   13:43
Catherine. Catherine North. Catherine Pankhurst. Catherine Forset Catherine Nightingale. And there's this whole gallery dedicated in Kew Gardens. She travelled the world basically, and but she was from this upper class family and basically her father funded her, traipsed To abroad and she basically drew or the amazing plants and animals that she came across a scene. Yeah, right. Just a gallery full of these illustration.  

Jack:   14:13
No one really had beforehand, like everyone just thought it wasn't an important thing to do to They could make pic tal diagrams records off the natural world. And after she did it, people were like, Oh, that makes sense, actually. Really?

Cat Harrison:   14:25
Yeah. And they using those pictures now toe identify plants, animals, and quite a lot of them are extinct now because, you know, so many were from kind of rain forest, you know, So that's just an example. But in all those instances, it was like they were in a privileged, privileged position where they were also being funded by a nice guy.

Neil:   14:48
But I think that's kind of what I loved about The whole piece in general is it's like That's another layer of conversation that it has is what you know, what deserves the attention in terms of if you come from privilege. But choose to use that privileged for good? Is that equal to lesser or more than someone who didn't come from privilege and then has managed to still achieve, like, you know, do you wait?  

Neil:   15:11
It's not about less or more, but I think it's just about finding a balance. So you like with 25 statues? You know, we didn't want it to be just one thing or another when you wanted to show like that. There's a broad picture of what those storeys could be of who those women could be if, like what ages, they could be of whether from of like but like a you know, like I said a bit about what their successes or their achievements could could be. And the only way we could do that well in our minds that the easiest way of doing that was to find living women. And that's why I also put a forward is zeitgeist. It's It reflects what people think that we need Teo, um, celebrate in our society now, um, things that I think in 10 years time I really hope in 10 years time like well, be issues anymore won't maybe won't be his big issues or there'll be other things that will be thinking a lot about

Neil:   16:09
Can you give us some examples of some of these people and the storeys and what issue they represent? Maybe.

Jack:   16:15
Oh, yes. Take a seat, Jack. I e o jump in just before that. How

Neil:   16:22
did How many nominations did you get it? And then how did you get down to 25?

Cat Harrison:   16:26
So, yeah, we did. We had a few 100 had a few 100 nominations, which was, like about like, a few 100 more

Jack:   16:34
than we're expecting way. We're expecting

Cat Harrison:   16:37
about 20 got, like, just hundreds of hundreds. So the way that we selected the statues was primarily non 01 So myself and my colleague Sara, friend and John on DH, then also in the room was Annie Reilly, who is the head of heritage Open days on Rachel Lenin, who run this whole women in power season at the National Trust. So they came in as well, and we and we sort of looked at it as a curation rather than a selection. And everyone who nominated was contacted about the nomination on DH. We asked. People ask people who nominated did they want their nominee to know? Even if they hadn't been selected for a start to do, they want to know that essentially someone had found them inspirational enough. Teo, nominate them.

Neil:   17:25
Did anyone say no to that? Like, please don't tell him that inspirational.

Jack:   17:28
It was an opt

Cat Harrison:   17:29
in. It was an opt in thing. So, actually, so only a few people opted in rainy because I think, yeah, but because it was an opt in thing,

Jack:   17:39
everyone's too. So it was quite a lot.

Neil:   17:42
That's a case that people weren't just using it like a moon pig star thing.

Jack:   17:45
I don't have to buy a card.

Neil:   17:47
I could just send

Cat Harrison:   17:48
You were nominated for a

Jack:   17:49
step. Yeah, that's the best gift. Thank you.

Cat Harrison:   17:52
Yeah, s so Yeah. So that was how he selected it, but it was we sort of sort of secure ation. And if we we really if we could have done more than 25 we would have done like at this person. At the present time, there were 2.2% of statues were off. Women that had existed in should be celebrated. We raised it to 5.5%. So it's not. There's still much more room for improvement,

Neil:   18:26
so we don't have time to talk about the 3% increase and every single one of those statues, although I want to. So maybe you could just give us a snip it off some of the women. Some of the storeys may be just a diverse selection. Three. And this doesn't This doesn't have to mean favourites will put the website where you can go and find out everyone in the episode known forward dot com, it's all there, but yeah, I mean, maybe just some of your most Maybe the unexpected may be the most impactful emotionally on you.

Jack:   19:01
Oh gosh. Well, it was it was very

Cat Harrison:   19:04
emotional. That's actually a very good point. Yeah, it was obviously all 25 women were incredible and we I

Jack:   19:14
just get a girl from the dungeon

Cat Harrison:   19:16
of us and the but we we unveiled all of their statues over eight days. So we did a unveilings across England, travelled over 2400 miles, met all of these women, um spent time with thems met their families like so all of them have, like a rial getting choked up like part in my heart. But I know that we don't time talk about although they ranged in age from 18 94. Um, so the 18 year olds, Paige Hunter is from Sunderland on DH. She writes, notes, small notes with the Samaritans number on DH, post them on a bridge and where she herself found herself contemplating the worst. Andi people have come forward in Sunderland saying that they've seen these notes on DH. They've saved lives. So that page in Newcastle, right on DH. She was 17 when she started writing those nights. Just incredible, right? I'm so Hearst at you is her holding one of her notes. And you can read what her note saying. They're just all just full of love and joy on DH support on DH. Yeah, Paige is incredible. we had to. 94 year olds

Jack:   20:37
sure was so competitive about who was the

Cat Harrison:   20:41
oldest. There's the lovely Jean Bishop, who is from whole who's known as The Bee Lady of Hole and since she retired, went to 65. So what's that like? Like nearly 30 years ago, she started dressing up in a giant bee outfit. Andi, I mean, like a giant be out.

Neil:   21:01
So this is not justice. Like a normal size speech Giant

Cat Harrison:   21:04
just dresses a giant bee on DH. It's huge. This a big, fluffy costumes raising charity every day in the centre ofthe whole. And, you know, just he's just a complete beacon of joy to be

Neil:   21:18
around. Did you have to be costume?

Jack:   21:20
I don't know. I didn't ask her that registry number.

Neil:   21:23
Where did the idea come from? I also just want to go back. I want to just jump back to appreciate the joke that Jack just made. I cut over, which was is she's a big hand. That was great, Jack.

Jack:   21:33
Sorry. I've ruined Well, you know a lot of the

Neil:   21:35
subtleties. I was too excited to find out where the costume. I am quite interested in the idea or like the accusation that you think maybe she stole that

Jack:   21:46
because, you know, it was just

Neil:   21:48
because it just just imagine her literally retiring and the next day, going out be gone. Did you have a pre planned? Did you? Was she given it did, she said, and thought, I'm going to use that and go out for charity. Maybe her full time career job was making bee costumes.

Jack:   22:02
You know, I didn't

Cat Harrison:   22:03
ask about where she got. It

Jack:   22:04
was a

Cat Harrison:   22:05
really, really professional that can be costing.

Neil:   22:07
It's one for a good good update.

Jack:   22:09
Yeah, we'll find

Neil:   22:10
out I'm with everyone there. Hey, five months, we wear costumes. So

Jack:   22:16
Jean Jean Yeah, you just keep trying it on.

Cat Harrison:   22:29
And then also, I'd be nil was the other 94 year olds on Baby Is a Holocaust survivor, has written three books about it, still goes out now into schools and talks to kids about acceptance on DH difficult times. And she's really open and honest, and she's always like a really kind of sort of a storyteller, like grand for everyone and her statues, actually her in her chair with her book, and it looks like it's kind of, like Storey time with a B, but it's absolutely so moving and she's take fantastic and she's from Leeds. What was it like

Neil:   23:07
talking to her like, I can't imagine having a conversation with someone like obviously what we learned in school, What we've read, what we've seen in TV reproductions like talk to someone knowing that they were actually there. Like,

Cat Harrison:   23:19
what if he is completely warm and welcoming? So as soon as so we went to DIO scan three d scan at her house on DH ah, which was the easiest place for her, and she But she was so welcoming she got was then she was, like, you know, taken around cake or ever and she was like but that cake away, like we've got our own light and she'd laid on like, basically full afternoon tea for us and the I am too scatters and ended up with us. We were having to do her scan and then and go to Bradford for somebody else's. We ended up like just sort of sat on her. Is that in different room, like listening, literally listening to her talk in her chair, and even this the two scanners who were those were like asking questions off her experience. And she was just so been on DH welcoming about it. It was just like, You know, you know, you have to talk about forgiveness talking about and finding yourself, finding joy and bringing yourself through these kind of tragic times on that was within the fur, you know, it had many phone call conversations at that point, but never never met. That was the first time I had met her. Well,

Jack:   24:26
all of

Cat Harrison:   24:27
these 25 women you just beat because they are incredible. And so, yeah, some of thie And they were sort of summer, I guess. More well known women like Lady Phil, who's the founder of Black Pride? Um, Leyla Hussein who? Ah, it's just f Jim Wright's campaigning, but really leads on that, and it's incredible, incredibly strong. Amazing woman. Um, Christine Burns, who's a Trans woman who wrote Trans Britain on DH, was quite influential and changing their gender representation rights off the 10 15 20 years ago. Yeah, the sue, there's just there's just just so many s so many incredible storeys, I guess one of the most emotional ones for me was she born a lady Kuleshov on fennel and on, and she born is in this place called Bell Pepper. If you had a helper,

Neil:   25:28
no eyes, no health insurance, a

Cat Harrison:   25:34
town village and Belka and ah, shit Born has, ah condition that severely affect her nervous system. But she runs something Involve accord accessible bell pepper home on DH. It's got the whole village. The whole town is like completely onboard with accessible bell pepper In a way that is basically Bell proves just one big hill is like Yeah, and so they've put in like benches for people to be able to pause. They've made sure they're everywhere is kind of accessible in terms of ramps and things. But also, like all of the shops, are, ah, sort of dementia awareness trained as well so that a lot of the older community can still use those shops and use that. And so they're really thinking about accessibility on really, really broad scale. And she won't just gave the short one statue was the last one that we unveiled after, you know, quite a whirlwind on DH should warn him, had written a poem and delivered this poem herself during it, and it was just Ah, yeah, just completely incredible.

Neil:   26:48
Is there someone who you like because you've got hundreds of applications, one applications, nominations? Is there, like someone who would have been 26 like the person that you really resonated with? And you're like, Okay, we can't put them. And it's like, you can use this as a platform to say this is a person

Cat Harrison:   27:06
and yes, absolutely, and act on DH. To be honest, there were there was one. Um, there's one woman who didn't want to take part. So who is on that? And I would hire you. It was Helen Sharman. He was the first British astronaut in space.

Jack:   27:27
I met her, right? Just an attendant. She's super nice, right? I love her. Yeah,

Cat Harrison:   27:33
absolutely. She's incredible. So how the Sharman was the first Brit like British astronaut in space in

Neil:   27:39
like it was the 80. She's like a biologist, right?

Cat Harrison:   27:42
Right, right. And so, of course, when Tim Peake became the first British man to go to space, that never was saying it was the first British person space. And that's just not true. There was Helen Sharman.

Neil:   27:54
I hold my hands up I did not know,

Cat Harrison:   27:56
right? I didn't know before doing that.

Jack:   27:59
And on a whole

Cat Harrison:   28:01
brownie guide, Troop sent a nomination for how it was credible. They'd put so much work into the nomination. It was gorgeous. We got in touch with Helen Sharman on a 100% respect. This is that Helen Sharman said I don't categorically don't involve myself in projects, that agenda, you know, And like, I completely get up. And I completely respect that. And, you know, that was absolutely great. And I think she had met the brownie guide groups. Went to meet them, or she she wrote them a letter, which he got in touch to kind of say thank you for the nomination and sort of explained why. And she felt like she could take part. Um, but yeah, so that was amazing. We

Jack:   28:46

Cat Harrison:   28:47
had, you know, we also had we didn't pick the person. The woman who got the most votes there was lots of votes for Caroline Lucas.

Neil:   28:57
Yeah, she would have been if we like. I was gonna ask everyone. Who would you nominate? Caroline Lucas would have been, would have been mine. But then maybe that's like a very She's already got a high profile.

Cat Harrison:   29:06
Yeah, that was kind of where we were coming from. Is that, like, even the people who have been actually quite celebrated light lady filth of black pride, Like actually, outside of other circles? Lady feels not very well known at all. Um, where's Caroline Lucas? Ready is a household name, E. I mean, she doesn't need that statue in any way, really, But obviously amazing. We

Jack:   29:33
had some troll nominations way talk about Yeah. Oh, my God. You need to get hobbies way like

Neil:   29:43
to, like, put a little poison in the well, because it means it shows that why this is all important. Yeah. Discussions in these work.

Jack:   29:50
Yeah. It wasn't

Cat Harrison:   29:51
easy. Like, um, yeah, we had some nominations. That was sort of, um, I I won't name who they were, but they were, like, for famous on women. But we're, like, disgusting comments about these women on.

Neil:   30:07
We'll put the time in,

Jack:   30:08
right? Yeah. It's not even

Cat Harrison:   30:10
easy process like we

Jack:   30:11
really got gone through the

Cat Harrison:   30:13
form. You know, it's been a good amount of time on it just to be kind of hateful, which is just and surprising really? And then Andi, we also had some pushback on allowing trans women to be nominated.

Neil:   30:32
I was gonna be one of the questions. Actually, Yeah, that's really interesting. I mean,

Cat Harrison:   30:36
yeah, our policy was it was for because because

Jack:   30:39
as well,

Cat Harrison:   30:39
like, I feel like it was interesting doing a kind of women's project at a time when actually we're thinking a lot more fluidly about gender on DH by Neary. Gender is a swell and ah, and that was in part due to the kind of quite specific brief that we had from the National Trust and Heritage Open Days, but was, you know, I think it. I think everyone understood kind of why we were doing it like that. But we described it as anyone who identifies as a woman identifies his fan on DH. Yeah, we had some, um, really hurtful, hateful comments and and stuff happened, um, about that thankfully, nothing towards Christine here is a trans woman and was, ah on a statue of one of the statues just yet. Actually, was that one of our workshops? Someone really ah, kicked off. I think that's something we have to be aware ofthe. And like

Neil:   31:41
It's a conversation you need to facilitate. You don't dance with someone else for having those thoughts, but you, Yeah, you need to better talk it through, but it's it's a shame that it still comes up, but so let's wrap up on us on a positive note as possible. So what for you? What did you take away from this whole project on? What is the legacy that you hope for the work?

Jack:   32:04
Oh, just just with that. Like so

Neil:   32:07
that was made into the life question. If you could do it in less than 30 seconds. Yeah, also, we'll use this in the trailer, so make it really punky.

Jack:   32:16
Oh, great. Yeah. You know, I've not

Cat Harrison:   32:19
been asked that question, so I'm just thinking about it. I've not been asked it before. It's has

Jack:   32:25
been life

Cat Harrison:   32:26
changing for me personally, and we've always made our work that asks people questions and ask people to think about their lives. But having this opportunity to platform such incredible women was out of this world like to meet them to hear about how they've done these things. They've gone out and they've changed their worlds, you know, they've done these such incredible things, despite all kinds of adversities on having the opportunity to kind of platform those storeys And those voices has just been Yeah, completely life changing for me and on and on the rest of non 01 I know, and we will strive to do more off it. Like I mentioned about that, you know, we raised it to like 5.5% say that it's It's still a long way to go, but and just broadening out that, um, discussion about, ah representation, you know it the what Caroline Criado Perez writes about in her book Do it like a Woman Is that like, If you see people like you being, um, heralded, being celebrated for their successes and achievements, you're more likely, Tio do well at school, your mount more likely to just go and vote. You're more likely to feel like you can achieve something yourself because you see people like you be able to do it like it's

Jack:   34:01
proven. Yeah, you got the blueprint.

Cat Harrison:   34:03
And so that's why it's just so vitally important in terms of representation to, like, see so many like people and voices and such a wide array of people

Jack:   34:13
being out

Cat Harrison:   34:15
in in

Neil:   34:16
in those kind of positive news storeys, Right? Okay, Jack. So do you have your quickfire questions ready? I do. And I'm very excited to invite cats to join us for the choosing off the question. Are you ready? Now? You gotta listen very closely because it gets a bit too exciting, and it's hard to remember what he said, but I've got 30 seconds on the clock. Are we ready? I was born ready, and I was finished being ready when I stopped researching these, like, 10 minutes before the show. Well done. All right. Three, two, one. Go Hiring committees that don't believe in gender bias Promote fewer women. Scientists discover a way to grow back tooth enamel. Naturally, researchers show it's never too late to start exercising separately. Mohr exercise has been linked to a better sex life. Researchers suggest seaweed farming could be a versatile tour in the effort to mitigate climate change in romantic relationships. Better working memories mitigate the impact of problems. A gene mutation and I was individuals to sleep for as little as 4.5 hours per night without feeling tired. Around 1.4 billion fewer cigarettes are being smoked in England every year a study has found heroic music stimulates empowering, motivating thoughts I'm gonna finish. That one started its okay. I did thoughts. Okay. All right, Cat.

Jack:   35:38

Cat Harrison:   35:39
that was very quick fire. Actually, that was tricky. I should right. I think it's between three.

Neil:   35:45
All right.

Cat Harrison:   35:46
Do you do you get to help menial pick one? Or do I just I just have to do that. Okay. Um, so it was I was definitely interested about thie gender bias from a few women.

Jack:   36:00
But I wonder, how did they get to the top of this perfectly at? But I was also, but eyes also interested in the seaweed One. What was the seaweed One?

Neil:   36:13
Yes. Seaweed and climate change. Yeah. Solving climate change? No. Making it worse.

Cat Harrison:   36:17
Yes. I was thinking about that one, Andi, about obviously heroic music was kind of like, interesting as well. What shall we I'm trying to desperately look to kneel for, like, inspiration on that is drawing a complete blank. Personally,

Neil:   36:38
I think the one that for the 1st 2 I liked I feel like the 1st 1 is very contextual for our previous conversations. But then Actually, I quite like the idea of finding about how seaweed is helping fight climate change.

Cat Harrison:   36:56
Yeah. What would you like for your for your listeners? Would you like to continue on the same on the same vibe, or shall we, like, shake it up a bit with some Seaweed is

Neil:   37:04
totally up to you. You are our guest. You can pick. It's what you want to hear more about.

Cat Harrison:   37:07
May I think. Let's do some seaweed.

Jack:   37:11
Sounds like a drug in London. Let's decency with seaweed and

Cat Harrison:   37:16
because yeah, like that Senator the interesting. I've never really thought about seaweed in terms of climate change before. So tell us more, Jack.

Neil:   37:26
Okay, well, so we talk a lot about carbon emissions and the environment here at a good, good thing, Important stuff. Important stuff. Yeah, we're big fans off was going to say climate change off fixing issues related to climate change. Some people don't believe that's happening. Thankfully, none of our listeners, because it's nonsense. It's definitely because I think they would have stopped listening after I just said it was nonsense. Yeah, no one's no one's commenting, saying that like they don't believe us

Jack:   37:56
spying on your

Neil:   37:58
receiving their agreements. Catherine um So along with solutions on land such as reforesting, though in carbon emissions, some people think that we can actually help solve the problem using seaweed. So the idea is that you grow lots of seaweed in a local contained area and then, after it's grown to a certain size, is obviously seaweed is made of carbon. It takes carbon out of the ocean out of the air to form itself. Then you gather all together on. Then you sink it down to the bottom of the ocean, where it gets stuck and doesn't decay, because in large condensed lumps and just becomes like big blocks of carbon. Think that sits at the bottom of the ocean. But

Jack:   38:39
that's no, but isn't

Cat Harrison:   38:41
thatjust seaweed,

Neil:   38:42
but I get it. So it's It's like it's like an air filtration system because, yeah, but then that's not forever. Solution, though, is it? Because, obviously, I mean in my head and the ocean is a lot bigger than my mind is thinking in. But that's not a forever forever. You can't just have permanent seaweed at the bottom of the ocean because eventually just gonna fill up. So I mean, they probably won't fill up the ocean. But yes, it does start once it reaches the bottom. It's like forests, right. Once they grow, they take carbon out of the atmosphere. But once they start decaying, then they start releasing the carbon back into the atmosphere. But what we can do with forests on with seaweed is that we massively increased the number of them now will suck out a lot of the existing carbon while we can move to a lower carbon economy in future. So if we do this with seaweed, what we can do is we can use the seaweed to take lots of carbon out the AMA spin now drop it to the bottom of the ocean will decay very slowly. It will release the carbon back up slower than, say, growing even more seaweed on DH. Then we can solve what we can pull a lot of carbon out very quickly. So the idea is not that this is what we should do forever. But this is a great way toe act against the climate emergency. Now, by pulling the carbon out like a

Cat Harrison:   39:54
really great sticking plaster

Neil:   39:55
solution. Yeah, exactly. But it can only for it to to be truly effective. It needs to be done in conjunction with active initiatives to lower carbon emissions in general. Yes, so we can't be like open or the coal plants because we've got seaweed. That's not going to be the solution. But what we can do is go was getting a bit hot. We should plant some more seaweed and then sink it to the bottom of the ocean. And also there are other benefits, which is when they're building that like seaweed environment, lots of other animals, sick animals, sea creatures living there. And so you kind of produced a habitat for fish and other marine life. Toe reproduce in a safe area. For them adds more oxygen into the water. It takes away some of the acidification from the ocean, expresses more nutrients into the local area. So you've kind of got this thing where you're like, OK, we can create a nice place for fish to live. We can improve the quality of the ocean, and we can pull carbon out there just by growing some seaweed.

Cat Harrison:   40:58
Is that seaweed like a particular plant? The

Neil:   41:06
Yes, oh, seaweed, I believe, is a type of algae on DH. Generally always a very good reproducing quickly on when any of those kind of green biological products grow. They do it by constructing their own bodies out of carbon that they've taken from the atmosphere. So if you could get one to grow very quickly, they very quickly take carbon out the atmosphere. And then you have, ah, good way to reduce carbon very soon. And seaweed and algae does it quicker than on land forests generally. And is it a specific type of seaweed or is it like a help? Or like they pinpointed a specific species? So the research by Santa Barbara University um, it didn't I didn't see where it said What the type wass. I'm hoping it's Ah wacka may my favourite type of seaweed to eat because then they will need to sink. They just they

Jack:   42:01
just sink into my belly. Weight could just eat it

Neil:   42:04
Well, you know, in Southeast Asia they grow a lot of the harvest. A lot of seaweed for us. Tow Pete production as well. So they khun Yeah, they can use the same techniques and just bring them to the West on part of the article actually says, like if California used a very small amount of land than they could really reduce the rest of their agriculture industry emissions, which would be great because California makes a lot of emissions. In fact, they actually said that 48 million square kilometres are suitable for this kind of ocean are suitable for this seaweed growing police to 48 million kilometres off seaweed areas. Wow! So yeah, seaweed. So the moment this is confined to the release of this study, so there's no actual plans yet for this to be a thing, it's just being put out to the world to say that this could be a good idea. Yeah, it's not like Ethiopia where they were like Let's actually plant 300 million trees in a day, which is amazing.

Jack:   43:03
They did that a few

Neil:   43:05
weeks back a few months back, but they are saying Listen, this would really work if you want to tackle climate change as well as all these other things Start was going to be planting. Maybe not planting start growing seaweed. Fair enough. That definitely is a good good thing. Thanks for listening to this week's episode of a good good thing. Thanks once again to the lovely cat Harrison for joining us and telling us. What about her project? If you like today's episode, don't forget to rate review on DH. Subscribe on DH. Tell all of your friends to come and give us a listen if you think that they could do with some good vibes and grow your own seaweed if you can definitely also grow your own seaweed and then deposited at the bottom of your pond and make sure it doesn't come back out. Thanks, everyone by

Jack:   44:07
you have a fresh one. E way on I