In this episode, we discuss THE OZONE LAYER - what it is, how it is, and why a huge hole united the whole world in a heart-warming tale of global cooperation.
We also argue over new research that outlines five techniques to get over a grudge or disagreement (thankfully, we're fine now).
About your hosts
A computational artist currently undertaking a PhD in virtual reality, Jack is motivated by the positive impact technology can have on our day to day lives both operationally and emotionally. Outside of PhDs and podcasting, Jack is a proud dad to three turtles and an ever-growing number of house plants. Find Jack at @jacktionman on Instagram and Twitter
A digital content editor by day, Neil is also a men’s lifestyle blogger at whatneildid.com where he covers a range of topics from travel and style to health and mental well-being. You’ll never find him too far from a coffee. Find Neil at @Whatneildid on Instagram and Twitter
Neil Thornton: 0:08
Are we recording?
Jack Ratcliffe: 0:18
Yeah, it's been recording for like 20 minutes.
Neil Thornton: 0:18
Hi, everyone. And welcome to a good, good thing. A podcast that celebrates positive storeys, both big and small from across the globe. I'm Neil
Jack Ratcliffe: 0:24
and I'm Jack.
Neil Thornton: 0:25
And from here on in, this is a good vibes only space.
Jack Ratcliffe: 0:37
Neil Thornton: 0:38
Jack Ratcliffe: 0:39
How you doing?
Neil Thornton: 0:39
I'm alright. How are you?
Jack Ratcliffe: 0:41
Yeah, I'm good. Thank you. I'm good. I've had a good good week.
Neil Thornton: 0:43
Good. I'm glad.
Jack Ratcliffe: 0:45
Thank you very much. Would you like to hear about what? My most exciting part of my good? Good week was?
Neil Thornton: 0:50
I definitely would.
Jack Ratcliffe: 0:51
So I rediscovered a childhood TV show. So not just the original show by found there was a second season. So is this is a big I mean, not everyone is like, why would that be a big deal? But I watched this show when I was, like, 10 or 11 years old on DH. Then I thought I'd reached the end of it. It's kind of like a bittersweet ending. It's kind of like, Oh, he saved the day. But now he separate from his friends who are still in the other world. And I felt that way as well because you want something for 52 episodes. Long season on DH. One seasons. 52 Xs. Yeah, that's what they do in Japan on DH. Yes, you follow 52 upstairs, 20 minutes per episode on DH like that was a year in my life because they play hip so per week, I want to go to the end. I felt kind of as a 10 year old, like it was kind of bittersweet because I wouldn't see these carrots again. I won't get to engage with them. And then last week I found out there was a secret hidden second series, which I never watched. There's a whole 24 more episodes. What happened straight after or it's been recently? No, that happened straight after. I just didn't know that. I mean, like, maybe the TV channel I watched on Fox kids. Maybe it didn't pick up. Or maybe I just assumed that was the very end. Or maybe it came like a year later or something. But I didn't know there was the second season which was made at the time, and now I get to go back and it's like I got an extra 50% of this thing that I loved as a kid, but you're watching it now, thinking that you have no idea what you liked it so I can see why I liked it. But it's definitely not a cz good as it was in my memory. And I rewatched the first season kind of prep for the second season on DH. I remember it being scary and dark and now as an adult, which is sad. But it is so nice, Like I guess, like I don't know what it was an important, like fiction book or storey for you. Oh, God, What from when I was a kid having for any time, any time like you finished And you're like, I wish I could spend more time with these characters.
Neil Thornton: 2:54
Oh, no, I don't because actually, I don't read much fiction. Ahs Ah, as an adult, I usually nonfiction When I was younger, I loved animals and I was devastated when I got out. I mean, they were like on for 40 something books at red, but yeah, devastated. So can you imagine if there was another 20 animal books that you know? And you existed? Yeah, bit much like because they rounded it off pretty well, but I think Sequels they're bringing it back for the cash. You know, I'm very cynical adult now, but yeah, no, I get that. I get that. Like, uh, I felt the same with sex and see to the sex and the city, and that was a massive let down. It sounds like you've had a really great wake. I have. I mean, not great, because a lot of time in front of my laptop watching cartoons, some people might say It's not a great week for me. It was a great week. What about, you know what actually went on quiet journey, trying to find out what my answer was gonna be Because, like I thought, OK, I want to talk about what is my good good thing for this week. And it's it's really great to always try and look out for those good, good things to keep. They keep your view positive. But I've had one of those weeks where it is vanished on DH. I've been so busy, I can't remember what I did monday on. Then it actually made me think that over passage in Michelle Obama's book becoming, which had just finished where she talks about how, like it's really great that she had these people that she had to do this interview with the whole time she was in the White House, because they I think they assume that she's going to write a book. I helped her remember like she would forget that she was in another country that start the week and my thought process went two ways, one, which was that I just compared myself to Michelle Obama, which I'm fine with. My home. Yeah, same, Same same both Queens on DH. Actually, her book is my positive thing. In a week I finished it on DH. It's amazing. It's Ah, really wonderful read. I actually have a new favourite thing, which I should admit, is that when I buy a book, I also like if it's a book like an autobiography or something, I will also download the audio book as well. And so I listened to the audio book while I'm reading it. So basically, Michelle Obama is narrating the book to me as I'm reading it on. It's really quite wonderful experience. Michelle is a little slow, though, so she was on line 1.5 speed. Just I could get through a bit quicker because the audience is 19 hours. So this is like in films when they're reading a letter from a long lost relative on their voice like appears over their shoulder. Yeah, exactly, exactly. But anywhere yet, the book is phenomenal. It is a really amazing storey off not letting your like kind of birth on DH charging environment situation like put a cap on your imagination when it was fully knowing that with hard work on DH education, you can ascend to, you know really great things and you can work really hard. You can achieve those things on the same time. It was just a great view ofthe kind of politics at the moment, and it encourages people to try their hardest to understand when people come from a different opinion and different background, because you can't find a common solution without common ground on DH. So, yeah, that's a positive thing this week, I thought, really recommend everyone reads it, and I love it so much. I bought tickets to see her at the hotel when she comes back. So I don't know what's gonna be like seeing her talk from, like, miles and miles away in the back seat. But I'm sure it'll be great to take your book with you.
Neil Thornton: 6:22
Yeah, I know. Yeah, Just listen to it at the same time.
Neil Thornton: 6:36
So what we got for this week?
Jack Ratcliffe: 6:38
This week. Neil, I want to talk about the ozone layer. What is happening with the ozone layer? Well, you know what? The ozone layer is a really interesting storey on DH. There's lots of aspects to it. I think we all know Like what? Like there's some kind of ozone layer thing that has happened around us, right? Something has happened with the ozone layer.
Neil Thornton: 7:01
Like it's like that There's a hole in it the size of America or something.
Jack Ratcliffe: 7:04
Yeah, exactly. In fact, now, what do you know about the ozone?
Neil Thornton: 7:07
Literally. What? I just said that the ozone layer protects us from certain harmful rays from the sun on git. Keep up. The kids are respected. Or then I don't know how I would do that, but I know there's a hole in it that's like at one point was the size of America. And I don't know what it is now.
Jack Ratcliffe: 7:26
Yeah, you know when, like they discovered that whole?
Neil Thornton: 7:29
Jack Ratcliffe: 7:30
Do you know how they decided to fight That whole?
Neil Thornton: 7:33
Jack Ratcliffe: 7:34
Do you know the progress off the battle against the hole in the ozone layer?
Neil Thornton: 7:38
I have heard that there is progress in a positive way, but I don't know where I had that from. I think it might be in from off of something else I was reading, but no, I have no idea.
Neil Thornton: 7:49
Well, would you like to know answers to all of those things?
Neil Thornton: 7:52
I would. Jack,
Jack Ratcliffe: 7:54
listen carefully, my friend. You didn't know this would have been a podcast. Okay, So jumping back in time about the history of the ozone layer, the ozone layer was discovered in 1913 by French physicists Charles February and Henry Bosom. When they discovered it by noticing that there was no radiation below a certain wavelength hitting their receptors down on earth, their sensors So they were looking at the UV spectrum. I think you know the UV spectrum from sunbathing. You know, the types of UV rays, even a n e V b. That's right. But there was also a U v. C. I did know that one, actually, that I think it's if you get there's certain fact of fifties and stuff that have extra stuff in for you, D c, I think. Yeah, well, mostly we don't see you. V c c Good, Jack. Thank you. It was like a joke. Mostly, we don't see it because the ozone layer absorbs and reflex UBC and that prevents it from hitting us. And that prevents it from kind of causing some of the things that you ve B does which, you know, some of Theseus. I'd effects from you, Bebe. Re exposure eso for people. It would be a skip, primitive skin ageing and skin cancer. It also Khun damage plants. And that's about all I know. Yes, and it could also help cause cataracts. Andi even has an impact on the temperature. So they noticed this radiation was missing on, did some research and worked out the only thing that could possibly blocking is the chemical known as ozone. Hence the name the ozone layer. Sometime after this guy could Dobson came along. He built some monitoring stations so you could see how much ozone wass in the atmosphere. And then 20 years after that, in the 19 seventies. Looking at these monitoring stations, people realised that the amount of ozone in the atmosphere was dropping. Yeah, so this is like and this is kind of the science. We realised it was dropping and they were worried this would mean an increase of radiation coming through. They kind of galvanised people to come along and kind of try and, like, do something about it. So this was ninth in the 19 seventies when I started to notice things drop on. It was not until the 1978 that the United States, Canada and Norway did something which is actually pretty short, like they only discovered that there was an ozone layer 50 years ago. In the early seventies, they discovered that it was being depleted. Within eight years. The United States, Canada and Norway have all said, Well, we should stop putting out things which are causing problems with the ozone layer. And then 10 years later, everyone came together in Montreal on agreed that everyone should stop producing these things which are harming the ozone layer. And so from that or CSS, the things that break down the ozone there got banned production of them got banned on the manor. CFC production dropped almost nil on ozone. Started recovering in the atmosphere on the whole started to shrink. And so we saw some really positive reports off how it was regenerating. But then earlier in 2018 they discovered that the models that they had were no corresponding with reality. I mean, which models. So they had models for how quickly the ozone you should. Then they should recover. Okay, on DH, they worked out what they were observing, but the monitoring stations wasn't actually what they thought was gonna happen, so is recovering slower. It was recovering slower, and they looked into this and then, like, Okay, what could possibly cause? And they found out that there were lots of factories in East Asia had started using CFCs again, even though they knew that there's maybe CFC's would destroy the ozone layer. There were companies specifically in China who had were kind of using it because it's a lot cheaper and better than the environmentally friendly alternatives on DH. Yeah, some estimates put like, 70% off all the places where CFCs could be used in China. They're actually using CFCs instead of the environmentally friendly alternative. What were they doing about it? Well, this is where it got kind of interesting. So first they detected that loads of CFCs were being put up into the atmosphere. A conservative estimate off 10,000 to 12,000 tonnes off CSC per year, which shouldn't be happening on DH, a UK non profit, non government organisation called the Environmental Investigation Agency, set up by one guy in 1980 for Dave Currie. Uh, he and his team went into China to kind of try and find out any evidence for this happening that interviewed places. They spoke toe workers. They kind of did what they do, which is like, It's really amazing environmental investigation team like that go around the world and they kind of find offensives like it should be a court TV show actually say they go about like, save the world. And also it's like it's not like the government set this up. It's not like the U. N set this up is like a guy was like, We should set this up on DH. We need to investigate environmental offenders. So they went into China and they found some major factories that were doing this on DH. They presented this information back to the Chinese government. Listen, guys, you say that your emissions on CFCs are Neil. You say that you've done adequate research and you found that no one's doing it. We have found factory that literally doing this. You need to do something about it, and that is where it is right now. But further research about the ozone layer was like even with these 10 to 12,000 tonnes of CFCs being put in three years, it is still recovering slightly faster than they predicted. So there was more CF season, the air than they predicted there would be, because obviously some of these factories are putting out CFCs. But even then it's still recovering at one to the ozone layer is still recovering at 123% per year. So it's still kind of reforming and re factoring and shrinking itself. And they predict that the show's only a hole, which was kind of really quickly established between, like the 19 fifties and the 19 nineties, when it was banned. We'll be completely gone by 2060 so we will be hold us by 2060 on DH. That comes from this amazing collaboration off researchers who discovered the ozone layer researchers who built a monitoring system for the ozone layer. These guys who found out that the ozone layer was being depleted, the quick action politicians first in the United States, Norway in Canada on then the rest of the world who agreed to the Montreal Protocol and then again years later, when people were still monitoring this information and saying something's not right here and then again by this team, over expert investigators who went into China and said, Whoa, you've gotto stop these factories from producing this and hopefully by the Chinese government. Who will do something about this, like all of these individual separate good steps of what people have done, what research has done, what people who care about things done, how good international policy globalised positive change can be when we all work together like there's a trail off good things that go all the way through this journey of protecting the environment and protecting the ozone layer on. So I guess in summary, this good thing is that we may have caused the problem. But there are so many people working toe, solve it and continue solving it and continue protecting it on. We may have completely stopped this big, huge problem that could have happened if we hadn't had this intervention. All these people who care about where it shows the possibility that I mean one, that's a great storey. That is definitely a good thing. I think it's actually not that I don't think many people realise that actually the ozone is repairing. I think if you asked most people, that priest will say as a hole in it, Andi it just shows the capability off the global community to effect change. And you know, obviously with things happening around the Paris Agreement or a cord and on the changes there and kind of overall use of fossil fuels and stuff, it actually shows that you know, if it's a global effort, it can be achieved on actually in surprising time frames. I think, yeah, that's it because this this Montreal Protocol, which was the agreement that they all came to happened like 2015 years after the problems first detected on DH, they got 196 countries and the European Union to agree to it on DH within 20 years of that, 30 years of that, we're seeing a huge recovery, so it's just amazing. The kind of is considered the most successful, like U N resolution. So do you know what the next steps are for China in terms of getting those factories that are like, does it cap visit counters like illegally doing? Is that what they're doing? Because is it like Lauren? China's not do it? Or so it's a global agreement. So technically, China, by allowing those things to happen, are breaching the global group. But China is saying or historically was saying that it wasn't breaching the agreement because it didn't have any body producing those things. So now that it's been investigated independently and people have presented to China, listen, we know these things are happening. It is then up to China to decide whether they still say nothing's being produced there or whether they take some positive action. And China's actually quite good at building renewable power plants, so maybe it will with the attention of people on them, for this, maybe they will take those steps to kind of, say, stop producing CFCs in our country. Okay, Jack. So we know that there are a load Mohr Good news storeys coming out of the world of science all the time. So I've asked you to prepare me a list ofthe current good news storeys coming out of science. And I'm gonna pick one that I want you to tell me about. You have got 30 seconds when I turn my clock on one second. You have five seconds to get through as many as you can, and then I'm gonna pick one. Are you ready? No. Okay, right. Could be a theme. I want my 3211 I'm not ready.
Neil Thornton: 18:47
I'm quitting time. Still going?
Jack Ratcliffe: 18:48
Okay. No, wait. Start again. 321 go.
Neil Thornton: 18:55
I'm gonna need the time up.
Jack Ratcliffe: 18:57
Hey, guys, that's the end of this week's podcast. Because there is, unfortunately no good news inside. What, you want to see the timer? Now? I don't need to see the time. I need tohave my cheeks adequately relaxed for these high performance aspects. Jack is written on a paper in front of you. You should just start reading. No, wait by the reading. I worry about the pressure. Step one. Be a words. Remember, people have had to hear this fighting over the sound of the London Underground right now in someone's ear. The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain. Girl. Alright, Ready? Yes, fuck it out. 32 swell way. Not that people were not a podcast that swears. I mean, I feel like that's a mouth like a trooper. You know this because they come from the troopers really swear that much? Well, I think it's like I think it's more from like that Army sergeants that, like, you know, driving every training packet. I just that kind of thing. I think I've just made that up. That's just why does he also is that a phrase used by anyone under the age of 60? What matter The trooper I definitely use? Oh, no, it's no, it's no by anyone now. Better fight anyway. Go 321 Go using genetic engineering to develop better antibiotics before make them resistant to resistant antibiotic drugs. Numerous research says there are five ways to get over a grudge. Officially, a study that says parents who noticed that the Children have closer connexions with nature had less distressed that hyperactivity and fewer behavioural and emotional difficulties. Productive employees increased by over 60% and healthy offices. The researchers have looked at how plants could defend themselves as kind of a method of taking on antibiotics. All right, there was a lot there. Yeah, but also, I think I could have gone better if my cheeks were correctly relaxed. Yeah, that was a joke. There's actually quite a lot that I really do here, but ah, as someone that's known me For what? How many years? 11 years. Now. There's one there that I feel that I definitely 13 years. 13 years. I was gonna say 12 and then I just wasn't sure. Just went the opposite way. Just give me an extra couple years, Jack. Thanks. There is one thing, and I think I'm not better that I'm a lot better now. But maybe not so when we met. But I am very good holding a grudge. So I would like to know the five steps to stop holding a grudge because I feel like this will enrich my life. One live with Jacket University for three years to you, will you? I'd say this. I say that you are generally, the reason that I let go of a lot of grudges are thoroughly enjoyed holding a grudge against someone. I find it very difficult to hold. It takes too much energy. That is a lot of energy. You get anything else done? Like I'm gonna wake up in the morning. I gotta hold a grudge for three hours. Exactly, but yes. Oh, please tell me five points to let go of a grudge. So don't towards Struthers and colleagues from New York University. That's York University, Canada, New York University. York. As in UK, York. No way. Got it. I mean, it could be the name of the university. Could be named after someone. Yeah, exactly. Could be. Mister, Mister, you. Well, this should be part of your research, Jack. I don't think it's applicable to the Storey. It's not really gonna change it. So anyway, the research that they've done is into grudges and how, actually, some of the best way the best way to have a positive outcome from holding a grudge is toe stop holding a grudge on DH two
Neil Thornton: 22:46
like no shit. All right. You have a high
Jack Ratcliffe: 22:51
end of study, and also they said you have to get a PhD was going out with Wade. Got 10. Best thing to be a best thing this is not being angry is to not be angry like a PhD. Well, no, they they're study notes. The interpersonal transgressions s O grudges have harmful outcomes to both victims on the transgressors and that the effects are actually more negative for the victims who have no control over being victims in the first place. They're kind of calm, pounding negativity through their research shows. What suggests five ways in which you can kind of break out off this God cycle, end up feeling happier than if you continue to hold a grudge. So those five steps are be the 1st 1 to seek reconciliation. So if someone has wronged you, you should be the one who have to get angry at him. You should be the 1st 1 to step back in on DH. Try and resolve the problem. Didn't leave it for looking down. Actually, my insides just recoiled. At that time I
Neil Thornton: 24:00
Jack Ratcliffe: 24:01
you go well, this is goodbye. The app I'm learning writing it down. You should recognise your own power in this situation. so grudges often stem from the perception that you have less power than the other person has a power dynamic. The other person has wrongs, you on DH. Therefore, they have used influence their power toe affect your life. But actually you've got to recognise your own power in the situation and step in and say, actually, no weaken. I have a world in these feelings. I have a role in what I can agree with that one also. Then look for commonalities with the person who has wronged you. So conflicts tend to come from differences between people, maybe indifference, perception, maybe indifference of background knowledge. So when you go and try and resolve this conflict kind of see where you have something in common with them. So while demonising the actions, trying not acknowledge that often they're seeking the same goals or some kind of positive goal for them. So if I'm seeking to enjoy the last doughnut and you're seeking to enjoy the last one and I eat the doughnut, then look out for the commonality that actually we both wanted to enjoy the doughnut. But just the process that we went about it may have caused this conflict, and it may have caused you to hold a grudge against me and maybe even the doughnut. That analogy, Teo and Mustard may I just started thinking about Yes. No, If I got next step four, don't let a slight take a life of its own. Don't allow the grudge to become something that is, like, solidified and grows and shapes itself. You don't allow it to continue tow a grudge or something that you have agency over. It's not something that is kind of just out there on its own. So remember that and that will help. You kind of put it behind you thin that it continued to quote on DH recognise when your grudge comes out of a fear. So a lot of grudges on the grudge making process is learned to avoid you being hurt on DH. So you hold a grudge to avoid a second negative transgression. Um and you should recognise that is where it comes from and that will help you Mohr holistically take, compare, take control room. I like that one because that's actually I suppose that that principal ties into a lot of things because it's someone you know It's not even necessarily like a civilisation. A similar situation would cause a grudge, but someone that, like a relationship ended on they could eventually like, not want to get into the relationships because the fair of them ending on DH. It's not necessarily a yes. They made a hold, a grudge against a person that ended it. But it's that you have to realise that your fears are stemming from not wanting that again. And you can. You need to work through that and realise that those things may not happen. Also, it's also just a fact of life in otherwise, it's either embrace it or shut off. And I think one is only really one option is only really the one that you should go for. Yeah, that's it. And I talked about this a lot in general, with life, which is kind of everything is shaped by the lens through which you look at it. And it seems like that research there is a science backed way of saying the way you approach grudges. If you approach it from the five lenses, thinks five angles, then you can really kind of turn something which is quite negative I don't know. Many people who are, like, really positive about the squad I have on DH Kind of put it into a more healthy place. So do you have any clutches which you might wantto know? I've just got rid of every single one, like, actually, as we went through that I just compartmentalised and they've vanished. I just realised that there's a snack left in the room on DH. I'm gonna eat it because now you have to get over any
Neil Thornton: 28:01
grudge. No way. Like dashboard Lola, Jack, grab time. But
Jack Ratcliffe: 28:21
there are so many more good news storeys that we need to talk about. Well, I've already pressed the fate in music button. So you've got a very limited amount of time, so start telling them now, fibre reduces mortality. If you have between 25 29 grammes per day, scientists have solved the
Neil Thornton: 28:36
mystery of Easter Island heads. They have developed a facial. Wait, Thanks
Jack Ratcliffe: 29:13
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Neil Thornton: 29:35